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TranslationHelper (Bot)

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * While there are some concerns as to the lack of clarity in specific operating parameters and frequency of operation have been expressed, which haven't been specifically addressed, there's consensus, so it is ✅, to add the translation tags set out to already existing translated pages. This will be subject to any decisions made by administrators to limit functions or in case of malfunction, block the bot. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 20:42, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

User: TranslationHelper ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Bot Reason: Currently, we use  to ensure translated versions of categories are correctly populated with the same content as their original English source. However, there are a good number of pages that do not use it. This causes translated versions of categories to show up as having less number of pages and files than the original English source, and even in some cases, no files and pages at all. A good example is Category:Guides. TranslationHelper will add  on pages included in categories that have been translated or included in the translation system that do not currently have it to fix this issue. 11:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Additional comments:

''Please use only the Comment or Question templates as this isn't a !vote with no rationales. This is a discussion with questions and answers about the bot's operation, usefulness, etc.''
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1)   Have you made sure that it won't go ballistic again like it did not too long ago? --Integer  talk 14:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I found what I was doing wrong. Though technically, it did do what it was supposed to do. 14:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Awesome. In that case, I can at least somewhat support it, and if I get more confident that it works as intended, then I will better support it. Integer talk 14:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  This is to confirm that R4356th operates this account. TranslationHelper (talk) 11:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  The bot's source code can be found on GitHub.  12:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  The purpose of this bot account is useful, the source code is public, and parameters are fairly reasonably defined. The concerns I have are, broadly, based on need. Why not just categorize all translation subpages under the parent, English category? Other than translating some of our main categories, which include explanatory text that can be translated, I don't necessarily see a need to translate categories with no explanatory text. Secondarily, if there's no defined limits as to what categories should be marked for translation, we may have a situation wherein the bot ends up creating empty categories or categories created to hold one subpage for the given language, which leads to over-categorization. Additionally, if an administrator deletes empty categories created by the bot, what measures are in place to prevent the bot from recreating the category immediately thereafter? Dmehus (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) *I believe you misunderstood the bot's function. The bot will not create any categories. It will edit existing pages to add  beside  . And as for your first question regarding categories, if I am understanding it correctly, the Translate extension does not work like that. If any of your questions stay unanswered, then could you please clarify? Thank you.  15:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) **R4356th Thank you for your prompt reply. It sounds like it was a misunderstanding stemming, in part, from a lack of clarification. Nonetheless, now that you've clarified that the bot will not be creating any categories; only adding the requisite code to marked translation pages, any concerns I have, at the moment, would be minor, and not able to not be resolved with an amendment to the bot's originally approved parameters, such as with a future discussion with you as the bot operator. The first question is mainly a question of a broader nature as to our approach to categorization of non-English translation subpages, so isn't really relevant to this discussion, so we can set that aside until a future discussion occurs. The only (minor) concern I'd potentially would be the addition of wanted categories caused by the bot adding the requisite code to the given pages, and that's relatively minor given the number of wanted categories we have, and goes back to the need for a larger discussion on our categorization approach. Dmehus (talk) 15:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) ***As for your first concern, we could have a discussion regarding this on CN with the community or on Meta:AN with Meta Administrators and Translation Administrators. As for your second concern, sadly, there is no straightforward solution unless someone decides to take the time to possibly make a new system through a new template and/or Lua module. 15:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) *Adding to what I said above, administrators and translation administrators will be able to list categories that the bot should go through here if or once approved. 15:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) **R4356th Thank you. This satisfies me even more, and shows your willingness to work with the community at creating whitelist and/or blacklist pages the bot monitors in terms of what pages it monitors or skips. That's a reasonable approach. As such, I have no concerns at the moment. Dmehus (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 9)  As you can see above, proposer has given me reassurance, for which I can support this. However, I am still a little scared because of when it started making large amounts of changes very quickly, so I can't support it better. Should there be reason to trust in the (potential) bot more in the future, I will better support it. --Integer  talk 14:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


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DarkMatterMan4500 (Wiki creator)
User: DarkMatterMan4500 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: Considering that I was recommended this permission 6 months ago by a Steward in any other permissions I could choose from, I've been thinking about this for a while. Of course I would like to help Miraheze in a way that everyone is welcome, given the fact that I have been here for over a year, and made myself very well known, so I'm basically ready if necessary.

Additional comments: My only concern is that there are many requested wikis having problematic issues, and even people requesting problematic or substantiated hateful wikis, which is something I should take into consideration.

What would you do in the following situations? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 20:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Questions
 * 1) A Public wiki that says: "Terrible Websites Wiki - a wiki that lists websites that we find horrible and explains why they're so awful"
 * 2) A private wiki that says: "Wiki for a personal project with me and my friends"?
 * 3) How about a request for a public wiki that says: "Fantasy World Wiki - We're moving away from Fandom because we prefer no ads, see our Fandom site here: x.fandom.com"?
 * 4) A public wiki that says: "Obnoxious Bloggers Wiki - a wiki that lists bloggers and explains why we think they're obnoxious and terrible people"
 * 5) A wiki that has the same topic as another wiki but says in the description "The administrators of the other wiki blocked me for no reason so I want to create my own version"

DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:54, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Answers
 * 1) Depends on which subject it's being talked about: However, since we're on the specifics, I would decline them and have them specify what their purposes of their wikis will be. Also, if a wiki was going to be problematic, then I'd decline it right away and tell them the reason why.
 * 2) Just like with my answer for number one, I would like to have them specify the reasons behind that to avoid problematic and/or Code of Conduct or Content policy violations.
 * 3) If the paragraph looks good enough, then I'd accept the request, but if it's not good enough, I'd have them go back and edit their request. (I have clarified what I meant below after Reception123 brought up an interesting point on both #3 and #5.)
 * 4) I'd decline that as that would be a problematic Code of Conduct/Content policy violation, as I wouldn't allow a wiki to create problems for our wiki farms.
 * 5) I'd obviously decline it as we don't need duplicate wikis, but on rare cases, I would want them to specify what their purposes of their wikis are.
 * Could you perhaps give us more details for the 3rd one, what would a paragraph that looks "good enough" and a paragraph that is "not good enough" look like to you? For the 5th one, it would rather be appropriate to check if the user has tried to mediate the situation on the main wiki. The CP says "a direct fork of another Miraheze wiki where little to no attempts have been made to mediate situations on the existing wiki or existing community" so that implies that a fork could be allowed if attempts have been made to mediate the situation and they have failed. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks for bringing that up. I should've been more clear on #3 and #5. For number 5 (in no particular order), any forks to other wikis are indeed acceptable if all else fails, with a few exceptions along those lines. (You're right about that one.) And as for #3, I'm referring to the ones that should add 2-3 sentences in details, and by not good enough, I'm referring to people adding in very lazy writing or didn't put any thought into writing a wiki request. In other words, that wouldn't really be acceptable to accept as a wiki request. I hope that clarifies that for you, and is more clear. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 10:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying. That prompts me to ask an additional question. What if someone requested a private wiki and the description was "This wiki will be for the purpose of organising my personal diary"? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, that would be suspicious, but assuming good-faith, I'd ask them to provide specifics making sure they aren't going to breach the Code of Conduct and/or Content policies. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments
 * Why not? I wanted to suggest this to you today - crazy, --MrJaroslavik (talk) 18:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait, you were going to suggest this to me? I mean, a user did suggest this to me earlier in September 2020, so I've been thinking about this for a few weeks, boiling down to this moment now. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)